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The Nova Experiment
by bpopp on Monday, November 16, 2009 - 02:11 AM
 
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Ever since the engine in my Explorer ate itself, I've been getting into working on stuff (especially cars). There's a really unexplainable pleasure in fixing something that seemed hopelessly broken. Just doing something trivial like changing out a set of spark plugs can make the whole car seem new again. It's a weird, very addictive sense of accomplishment. And then like any high, it starts to wear off so you have to find something else to fix.

So a few months ago I decided I wanted to take it to the next level and get an old car to fix up. I looked at Camaros, Mustangs, and Chevelles, but the car that just really seemed to speak to me was the Nova. What's odd about the Nova is that it seems to be a love it-or hate it kind of car. It has this uber-cult following, but at the same time, everybody I've showed it to just kinda gives me this look like, "why?!" (which, true to my character, actually adds to the appeal).

I've been watching Craigslist for a couple months now looking for the right car. I knew I wanted a 3rd generation Nova (68-74) and I didn't have a lot of money to spend, so it was pretty challenging to find something that wasn't just eaten up with rust. Finally, last week, I came across a 68 Chevy II Nova, originally from California, that the owner claimed to be 98% rust free.

The car was in Atlanta so I drove out early Friday morning to take a look at it. After about a 5 1/2 hour drive, I found the guys house and he walked me back to see the Nova. It was in primer and the body looked really good compared to many of the rust-buckets I've seen. There were a lot of obvious problems and he volunteered several others, but none of them seemed really severe. The most troubling spot was a little bit of rust that had eaten through one of the floorboards in the back seat.

I was really nervous and reluctant, but I made a low offer and we finally agreed on a price. U-Haul wouldn't rent me a trailer because I own an Explorer, so he offered to drive it to Memphis for $300. I had been quoted between $450 and $550 by transport companies, so I agreed. After driving there and back, I think 300 is a very fair price. There's no way I would make that trip again for $300 (especially dragging a 3000 lb car).

He delivered her early the next day and here she is:

     

The good news is, the car is pretty much exactly what I was looking for. There's plenty of work to be done, but the car is straight, relatively rust free, and is already running and drivable. Actually, saying it's drivable is a stretch. I've driven it around the block a few times, but I would be terrified to go over 30mph in the car as it is. It has drum brakes on all four wheels and even coasting at 10mph, you have to really get on the brake pedal to stop the car. At 70 MPH, it'd be pointless to even try.

The bad news is that I've found quite a few pretty serious issues that I should have found before I bought it. They probably wouldn't have kept me from buying it, but I just feel stupid for having not caught them. The floorboards are much worse than they appeared when he showed them to me. He has covered them with some kind of black goop (undoubtedly to slow down the rust), but they will eventually need to be replaced with fresh metal. I've also found two areas in the back near the rear taillights that have been completely replaced with filler. They look fine from the outside, but you can see that there is very little metal left from inside the trunk. Unless I can find a junkyard car that I can cut some metal out of, it will be a big job (probably way beyond my capabilities).

Just for grins, I'm going to keep track of my progress here like I've done with a few of my other projects. We'll see how it goes.

Restorations I like:

* Just pictures, but a nice looking Nova
* Nice, albeit expensive, suspension work
* Great build.. lots of really useful information I will need.
* 74 Restoration
* Major 70 Renovation -- lots of good body work
* 71 Chevy Nova Build
* This one has a lot of general restoration tips
* Really Nice 67 Chevy II Restore - Lots of good information.
* Very Nice, Detailed LS1 Swap into a 72 Nova
* Beautiful, Profession Restoration of a 72
* 69 Front Suspension/Floors/Big Block Engine restoration.

Tech Resources

* Good T5 Conversion Thread
* Nova Interchange Guide
* Quadrajet Carb Tuning - lots of resources for tuning my carb.
* 1st Gen Camaro Suspension - Same as 3rd Gen Nova Suspension
* Good Wiki Article on Rust Treatment/Prevention
* Rock Auto Discount Code
* Eastwood Ceramic Chassis Paint - Sales video demonstrating Eastwood's new Ceramic chassis paint.
* Second Chance Garage - Found this while looking for info about building a paint booth, but it looks like they have a lot of good stuff.
* Quadrajet Rebuild Page - Very nice walkthrough of a Rochester Quadrajet rebuild.
* Floor Pans Replacement - Nice walk-through of a full floor pan installation.


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bpopp  |  Monday, November 16, 2009 03:07 AM

Here's my tentative list of things that need to be done to get her driveable:

1) Drum to Disc Conversion (probably)
2) Front Suspension Overhaul (upper/lower ball joints, bushings, sandblast, paint)
3) New Shocks & Springs
4) Total Rewiring (lights are all f'd up)
5) Fix seatbelts.
6) Fix Transmission Leak

Eventually:

1) Automatic to Manual Conversion (have a WC T5-- need BH, clutch kit, and linkage)
2) Gas Tank Sending Unit/Wiring/Gauge (gas gauge perpetually reads full)
3) All Weatherstripping (windows, trunk, doors)
4) More blocking
5) Paint
6) Keyless Entry

Parts I need:

1) Ashtray
2) Windshield Whiper Arm
3) Bezel for Headlights
4) Four Side Lights
5) Antennae
6) Headliner/Interior Kit
7) Bucket Seats
8) Rear View Mirror
9) Driver Side Mirror
10) Pretty much complete interior (carpet, door trim, etc.)
11) Seatbelts

Kevin (199.82.243.71)  |  Monday, November 16, 2009 03:02 PM

Are you going to save those seat covers?

bpopp  |  Monday, November 16, 2009 03:26 PM

I put 'em on e-bay as "Slightly Worn Vintage Seats!!"

bpopp  |  Tuesday, November 17, 2009 06:10 PM

The tires on my Nova are in really bad shape and are going to have to be replaced before I can drive it. I'm not ready to spend $1000 for new rims, but I would like to go ahead and get a set of rims that look a little better than the steel rim/hubcaps it came with.

On every car I've ever had I just replaced the tires when they wore out. Replacing rims is a whole different thing entirely. On the technical side, you have to worry about all this crap like backspacing, rubbing, brake configuration, and bolt patterns. On the aesthetic side, there's tire size, lift/drop, and then just general tire appearance. And you can't just assume that because a certain set of tires looked good on one guy's car, they'll look good on yours. Engine weight, suspension quality, battery configuration can all affect the car's stance and possibly dictate whether a certain tire will work or not.

This is the best site I've found for demonstrating how all these factors can affect the Nova. Here's a few configurations I really like:

 

Chris is running 16x7 Torq-Thrusts he got from Jeg's that have 4.75" backspacing, and he threw on some 205/40-16 tires to complete the look. No rubbing or clearance issues at all.

 

Okay here are a few of mine. Wheels are Center Line Scorpions: 15 x 6 front (3.5 BS) with a 205/70/15, 15 x 8 rear (5-1/4 BS) with 275/60/15 or 28 x 10.5 slicks (usually use a 5/16 to 7/16" spacer to center the wheel just right).

 

I love the stance on this one.. but unfortunately I don't have any details.

Update: GUITARWANNABEE got back to me w/ the details on his car. He says, "Basically its nothing special, Traction bars, Super stock springs, .. I run a 275 rear Tire & a 235 Front. The color of the car is a 200 Buick Color called Dark Cherry WA-9088 is the code."

 

Here my car it has a 255 60 r 15 no problem:

 

Another 68 with a nice stance. Chevy 15x7 Rally wheels BF Goodrich Radial T/A's Front, 205/60 15, Back, 235/60 15

bpopp  |  Monday, November 23, 2009 02:13 AM

I'm out of money for the month (trying to limit myself to $100 a month), so I decided to pull the instrument cluster out and clean it up a little bit. Gonna buy some silver hobby paint for the lettering and this stuff called SEM plastic/vinyl dye for the cluster.

   

bpopp  |  Wednesday, December 02, 2009 03:37 PM

Like these seats:

  

bpopp  |  Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:50 PM

My car came with a trunk-full of trim parts. Most of it is unusable, but I'm going to try and save a little money and clean up the dash bezel and some of the salvageable plastic pieces. I'm not sure why, but some of the parts are black and some are green (the original interior color). I'm assuming the previous owner was picking up random parts for his restore and just got whatever he could find. Here's one of the original armrests:

 

Call me crazy, but I think I'm going to ditch the lime-green and go with a black interior. I ordered some Landau Black SEM Vinyl Dye online for $9. I went ahead and ordered the SEM soap and leather/plastic prep for another $9, but I honestly think some scotchbrite, dishsoap, and acetone would have worked just as well. After cleaning all the parts throughly, I hung it from the garage door and sprayed 3 or 4 coats. It dries really fast, so I was done in about 45 minutes.

Here's the green armrest and steering column cover after cleanup and dying:

After 

I think it came out really good. My only concern is that this stuff will scratch off. I found a couple rough spots that I missed in the cleanup. I was able to scratch off the dye fairly easily, sand it down, and respray. For $18 bucks, I figure it's a worthwhile experiment. I can always pick up some aftermarket stuff if it doesn't hold up.

bpopp  |  Sunday, December 06, 2009 03:09 PM

A friend of mine sent me a cool resource for accessing auto repair manuals. Apparently it's some kind of online library that has put all their automotive manuals online:

1) Go to http://www.oplin.org/auto
2) Enter 123456789 for a Library Card #
3) Select "Lebanon Public Library"
4) Select your year, make, & model.

bpopp  |  Tuesday, December 08, 2009 03:07 AM

Tonight I pulled the seats out and started cleaning up the floors. Apparently the guy I bought the car from just spot-welded a couple pieces of sheet-metal on top of the rusting out floors and then caked on this thick, black goo to cover everything up. I have no idea what this stuff is, but as you can see, it didn't do anything to stop the rust. It's already starting to bleed through. I'm going to cut it all out and weld in some new floor pans.

  

Once I finished scraping all the black sh*t off the floors, I moved up to the roof and started scraping off all the insulation. It wasn't hard, but just kind of a PITA since the whole car quickly filled up with brown, most-likely carcinogenic dust. I wore a respirator and goggles, but it still sucked. It dawned on me about 5 minutes in that in a 40 year old car, the insulation could be asbestos , but I looked it up and fortunately it's not.

  

Kevin (199.82.243.71)  |  Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:37 AM

That looks rust free compared to mine. Let's sandbast and get down to the bottom of the problem. It may be painful but it will be quick. Maybe 99% rust free means that you can only see 1% of the rust with a visual inspection.

bpopp  |  Thursday, December 10, 2009 05:16 PM

I'm game. I think it's best if we do it somewhere that I can drink. I really don't want to be sober when I find out that my car consists of 3 lb of sheet metal held together by 1000 lbs of fiberglass, bondo, and roofing tar.

Someone @ stevesnovasite recommended this video for doing floor panel replacements. Course, who needs video when you have a floor panel replacement expert working right down the hall?

bpopp  |  Saturday, December 12, 2009 06:32 PM

  

Really like this color. He says it's "Matador Red code R" here. This is apparently a stock color for my year Nova.

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